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		<title>By: Hollow</title>
		<link>http://www.prodigalprogramming.com/2010/02/08/once-scorned-twice-as-nasty/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl, go take something to calm yourself down, you seriously need to relax, you have issues, that are not with me.

firstly;

&quot;I dont care that much about OS&#039;s I do care about accuracy and how the zealots of Linux are damaging the community&quot;

PLEASE go back to school and learn how to NOT contradict yourself in the same sentence.

lastly; 

&quot;It better to shut up and have people think you&#039;re a fool, than to open you&#039;re mouth and confirm it.&quot;

Coming from the man who has now tried to post 14 comments, to one article against my now 3 replies, you are a troll, a spammer and I genuinely do not believe you would get the security clearance required for Military work, because you can&#039;t shut your mouth long enough, and you&#039;d likely argue with the generals. Now you post another 10 in reply to this one comment, while I go get on a plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl, go take something to calm yourself down, you seriously need to relax, you have issues, that are not with me.</p>
<p>firstly;</p>
<p>&#8220;I dont care that much about OS&#8217;s I do care about accuracy and how the zealots of Linux are damaging the community&#8221;</p>
<p>PLEASE go back to school and learn how to NOT contradict yourself in the same sentence.</p>
<p>lastly; </p>
<p>&#8220;It better to shut up and have people think you&#8217;re a fool, than to open you&#8217;re mouth and confirm it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Coming from the man who has now tried to post 14 comments, to one article against my now 3 replies, you are a troll, a spammer and I genuinely do not believe you would get the security clearance required for Military work, because you can&#8217;t shut your mouth long enough, and you&#8217;d likely argue with the generals. Now you post another 10 in reply to this one comment, while I go get on a plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollow</title>
		<link>http://www.prodigalprogramming.com/2010/02/08/once-scorned-twice-as-nasty/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Darryl I&#039;m going to try and keep this short mate, I&#039;m not publishing any of your 7 comments from last night, because 

a) there are 7 of them, 
b) you&#039;ve become such a huge troll in them (Clearly without even realising it) that you wouldn&#039;t fit under the harbour bridge in Auckland, 
c) I can&#039;t be arsed to deal with you properly, I&#039;m headed home to the UK today from NZ, 
d) I notice you&#039;re australian, which explains a lot (Kidding I love aussies, but had to get one more NZ &gt; AU jibe in before I leave), 
e) none of your points make much sense at all
f) If you really are a 46 year old, retired IT engineer with military experience, then something has happened to your brain, because you&#039;re OBSESSED with having an argument with me, about something you CLAIM not to care about.
g) I&#039;ve done a little more than put pieces of PC&#039;s together, one of the companies I used to support was Chrisco, now if you&#039;re in Australia as your hostname suggests, you&#039;ll know who that is, their IT is in Sydney, but they require a multi million dollar server room here in Auckland, I maintained it, all of it, not just servers, but the networking side and the on-floor side of it too, I don&#039;t solder chips to PCB boards, but the person I know who did do that in the 70&#039;s currently has knowledge up to a Pentium II and that&#039;s about it, so why would I be bothered?
h) I&#039;m sat at home writing blogs and not working full time in IT because I&#039;m going back to the UK, so I gave up work a little while ago to help my partner and children re-arrange our lives, ready for the flight.
i) You haven&#039;t actually addressed anything to do with what I posted, at ANY point in ANY of your comments, you&#039;re just flaming, not what I expect from a 46 year old IT Engineer.
j) The reboot example you sited, was a one off bug, with an RC release of an OS, which majorly affected the functioning of the OS, so of course a reboot was required, because it was a work around, typically to install that driver, you can just click &quot;install&quot; in Ubuntu&#039;s built in installer, in this case, you couldn&#039;t, you also couldn&#039;t drop to a virtual terminal to stop the X Server, so a reboot was in deed required, BECAUSE to perform the operation at all you were booting the system to the equivalent of Windows Safe Mode.
k) Finally, you have absolutely no interest in debating anything, or talking about salient points, you&#039;re only goal, is to discredit me, and insult Linux, and disrupt this threads progress, which because I have replied to you, you have done, now bugger off and go do some fishing for crying out loud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Darryl I&#8217;m going to try and keep this short mate, I&#8217;m not publishing any of your 7 comments from last night, because </p>
<p>a) there are 7 of them,<br />
b) you&#8217;ve become such a huge troll in them (Clearly without even realising it) that you wouldn&#8217;t fit under the harbour bridge in Auckland,<br />
c) I can&#8217;t be arsed to deal with you properly, I&#8217;m headed home to the UK today from NZ,<br />
d) I notice you&#8217;re australian, which explains a lot (Kidding I love aussies, but had to get one more NZ > AU jibe in before I leave),<br />
e) none of your points make much sense at all<br />
f) If you really are a 46 year old, retired IT engineer with military experience, then something has happened to your brain, because you&#8217;re OBSESSED with having an argument with me, about something you CLAIM not to care about.<br />
g) I&#8217;ve done a little more than put pieces of PC&#8217;s together, one of the companies I used to support was Chrisco, now if you&#8217;re in Australia as your hostname suggests, you&#8217;ll know who that is, their IT is in Sydney, but they require a multi million dollar server room here in Auckland, I maintained it, all of it, not just servers, but the networking side and the on-floor side of it too, I don&#8217;t solder chips to PCB boards, but the person I know who did do that in the 70&#8217;s currently has knowledge up to a Pentium II and that&#8217;s about it, so why would I be bothered?<br />
h) I&#8217;m sat at home writing blogs and not working full time in IT because I&#8217;m going back to the UK, so I gave up work a little while ago to help my partner and children re-arrange our lives, ready for the flight.<br />
i) You haven&#8217;t actually addressed anything to do with what I posted, at ANY point in ANY of your comments, you&#8217;re just flaming, not what I expect from a 46 year old IT Engineer.<br />
j) The reboot example you sited, was a one off bug, with an RC release of an OS, which majorly affected the functioning of the OS, so of course a reboot was required, because it was a work around, typically to install that driver, you can just click &#8220;install&#8221; in Ubuntu&#8217;s built in installer, in this case, you couldn&#8217;t, you also couldn&#8217;t drop to a virtual terminal to stop the X Server, so a reboot was in deed required, BECAUSE to perform the operation at all you were booting the system to the equivalent of Windows Safe Mode.<br />
k) Finally, you have absolutely no interest in debating anything, or talking about salient points, you&#8217;re only goal, is to discredit me, and insult Linux, and disrupt this threads progress, which because I have replied to you, you have done, now bugger off and go do some fishing for crying out loud!</p>
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		<title>By: Hollow</title>
		<link>http://www.prodigalprogramming.com/2010/02/08/once-scorned-twice-as-nasty/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And out come the trolls, I mentioned Windows in my article, so a man called Darryl decided to post a couple of comments here, which really proved my point and the point of twitter above, unfortunately each of the two comments, although relatively well written, were longer than my original blog entry and after reading through them made absolutely no argument whatsoever against what I said, nor, as an IT engineer for many years now and a software developer for even more, did I agree with any of it, forget Linux, I&#039;m talking professionally dealing with Windows. In the interests of keeping on point, trimming down the comments length and since I hate troll wars, why on earth would you think I&#039;d allow trolling posts on my own site? N.B. This comment post, is actually shorter than either of Darryls.

He is allegedly both an engineer and IT, whatever that meant, he IS IT? I find that unlikely. In addition to being both an engineer and IT, he is allegedly a professional, and apparently, according to Darryl, it is imperative that after patching/updating a system, or installing new software, that you reboot, in order to &quot;test it&quot;, now I personally have never heard anything so un-professional, rebooting as a test? Are you kidding me Darryl? Rebooting is NOT a fundamental part of IT and NOT doing it should NOT get you fired, and rebooting is NOT a test, testing it is a test, rebooting is a requirement with Windows for installing something that plays no part in running the actual system (A new game), and kernel upgrades and the like on Unix OS&#039;s! Testing, yes, that is a fundamental part of being an IT engineer, btw just in case you&#039;re wondering, I have been building computers, writing software and fixing them for over 15 years now, I AM a professional IT engineer and Software Developer, if you are too, I&#039;d like to meet the man who trained you and point him to &quot;Windows for Dummies&quot;.

According to Darryl all I said in my article was that Windows was full of BSODs and that Windows was crap. I don&#039;t think I actually said Windows was crap once, I didn&#039;t mention memory leaks either, although I should have, and I mentioned a BSOD because the day I wrote the article, my mother in laws computer did exactly that, all because a USB based Internal Card Reader was buggered, worth pointing out too, that when I booted with a Linux Live CD to check if the problem was hard drive related, not only did it boot fully without complaining about the Card Reader, but it was actually able to make use of the damn thing too, Win XP just did BSOD after BSOD, but apparently Darryl hasn&#039;t seen one for years. An I.T. engineer, that hasn&#039;t seen a BSOD for years, have you been working with Linux Darryl? I was working with Macs for the last year and stable as they are supposed to be, I&#039;ve seen plenty of Mac Equivalent BSODs there this year too, the only kernel panic I&#039;ve seen this year on a Linux box, was when I deliberately built a very very very risky one, just for fun to see if it worked!

One last thing, &quot;using the GPL to publish software means that software becomes un-maintained, bug fixes slow down, users don&#039;t want to program&quot;, blah blah blah, typical WinZealot rant there, the GPL allows lots and lots of people to deal with the code, so in your scenario, if Adobe breaks, you need to ring Adobe support, have you ever rung adobe support? It&#039;s not fun, believe me, if however GIMP breaks, not only can you go straight to the DEVELOPER (As in not an idiot in india, manning a phone, but the actual programmer) for help, but you can go to other developers in the community, you can go to beta testers in the community, you can get help on a mountain of forums, compared to just ringing adobe, waiting for hours, then days, then getting no where in the end at all anyway, because they can&#039;t change the code after it&#039;s released, so you&#039;ll have to wait for CS5 and hope they did a better job, or should your problem be Windows based, then you won&#039;t get past the first idiot in India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And out come the trolls, I mentioned Windows in my article, so a man called Darryl decided to post a couple of comments here, which really proved my point and the point of twitter above, unfortunately each of the two comments, although relatively well written, were longer than my original blog entry and after reading through them made absolutely no argument whatsoever against what I said, nor, as an IT engineer for many years now and a software developer for even more, did I agree with any of it, forget Linux, I&#8217;m talking professionally dealing with Windows. In the interests of keeping on point, trimming down the comments length and since I hate troll wars, why on earth would you think I&#8217;d allow trolling posts on my own site? N.B. This comment post, is actually shorter than either of Darryls.</p>
<p>He is allegedly both an engineer and IT, whatever that meant, he IS IT? I find that unlikely. In addition to being both an engineer and IT, he is allegedly a professional, and apparently, according to Darryl, it is imperative that after patching/updating a system, or installing new software, that you reboot, in order to &#8220;test it&#8221;, now I personally have never heard anything so un-professional, rebooting as a test? Are you kidding me Darryl? Rebooting is NOT a fundamental part of IT and NOT doing it should NOT get you fired, and rebooting is NOT a test, testing it is a test, rebooting is a requirement with Windows for installing something that plays no part in running the actual system (A new game), and kernel upgrades and the like on Unix OS&#8217;s! Testing, yes, that is a fundamental part of being an IT engineer, btw just in case you&#8217;re wondering, I have been building computers, writing software and fixing them for over 15 years now, I AM a professional IT engineer and Software Developer, if you are too, I&#8217;d like to meet the man who trained you and point him to &#8220;Windows for Dummies&#8221;.</p>
<p>According to Darryl all I said in my article was that Windows was full of BSODs and that Windows was crap. I don&#8217;t think I actually said Windows was crap once, I didn&#8217;t mention memory leaks either, although I should have, and I mentioned a BSOD because the day I wrote the article, my mother in laws computer did exactly that, all because a USB based Internal Card Reader was buggered, worth pointing out too, that when I booted with a Linux Live CD to check if the problem was hard drive related, not only did it boot fully without complaining about the Card Reader, but it was actually able to make use of the damn thing too, Win XP just did BSOD after BSOD, but apparently Darryl hasn&#8217;t seen one for years. An I.T. engineer, that hasn&#8217;t seen a BSOD for years, have you been working with Linux Darryl? I was working with Macs for the last year and stable as they are supposed to be, I&#8217;ve seen plenty of Mac Equivalent BSODs there this year too, the only kernel panic I&#8217;ve seen this year on a Linux box, was when I deliberately built a very very very risky one, just for fun to see if it worked!</p>
<p>One last thing, &#8220;using the GPL to publish software means that software becomes un-maintained, bug fixes slow down, users don&#8217;t want to program&#8221;, blah blah blah, typical WinZealot rant there, the GPL allows lots and lots of people to deal with the code, so in your scenario, if Adobe breaks, you need to ring Adobe support, have you ever rung adobe support? It&#8217;s not fun, believe me, if however GIMP breaks, not only can you go straight to the DEVELOPER (As in not an idiot in india, manning a phone, but the actual programmer) for help, but you can go to other developers in the community, you can go to beta testers in the community, you can get help on a mountain of forums, compared to just ringing adobe, waiting for hours, then days, then getting no where in the end at all anyway, because they can&#8217;t change the code after it&#8217;s released, so you&#8217;ll have to wait for CS5 and hope they did a better job, or should your problem be Windows based, then you won&#8217;t get past the first idiot in India.</p>
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		<title>By: twitter</title>
		<link>http://www.prodigalprogramming.com/2010/02/08/once-scorned-twice-as-nasty/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PR people really do this kind of thing and the nastier they are the more they discredit the sites they attack.  It costs the site money to host, takes forever to load up in people&#039;s browsers and completely ruins the conversation.  They post the most vile and offensive things imaginable.  Normal people are run off.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s my investigation of trolls on Slashdot&lt;/a&gt;.  It comes with quotes from people like Bruce Perens who heard of this kind of work going on while he was at HP.  Things have gotten a lot worse since then with companies like Visible Technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR people really do this kind of thing and the nastier they are the more they discredit the sites they attack.  It costs the site money to host, takes forever to load up in people&#8217;s browsers and completely ruins the conversation.  They post the most vile and offensive things imaginable.  Normal people are run off.  </p>
<p><a href="http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s my investigation of trolls on Slashdot</a>.  It comes with quotes from people like Bruce Perens who heard of this kind of work going on while he was at HP.  Things have gotten a lot worse since then with companies like Visible Technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hollow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it&#039;s worth pointing out actually, that the reason I like Kubuntu, is because it isn&#039;t AS polished as, say, Debian Lenny with KDE. Debian makes me work to get firefox installed, or my NVidia drivers installed, because of their &quot;FREE ONLY&quot; policy, which is fine for them, but makes my life unnecessarily hard, in areas I don&#039;t always want it to be hard, Kubuntu on the other hand, is somewhat the red-headed bastard step child of Ubuntu, it doesn&#039;t get anywhere near as much love as the Gnome release, but it still gets all the latest releases for KDE SC and I still get access to the Ubuntu Repos, for the latest and greatest releases of other software too, not to mention, that Firefox and NVidia are a piece of cake to sort out too, although I still use the latest NVidia driver, downloaded from nvidia.com instead of using the built in hardware drivers installer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it&#8217;s worth pointing out actually, that the reason I like Kubuntu, is because it isn&#8217;t AS polished as, say, Debian Lenny with KDE. Debian makes me work to get firefox installed, or my NVidia drivers installed, because of their &#8220;FREE ONLY&#8221; policy, which is fine for them, but makes my life unnecessarily hard, in areas I don&#8217;t always want it to be hard, Kubuntu on the other hand, is somewhat the red-headed bastard step child of Ubuntu, it doesn&#8217;t get anywhere near as much love as the Gnome release, but it still gets all the latest releases for KDE SC and I still get access to the Ubuntu Repos, for the latest and greatest releases of other software too, not to mention, that Firefox and NVidia are a piece of cake to sort out too, although I still use the latest NVidia driver, downloaded from nvidia.com instead of using the built in hardware drivers installer.</p>
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		<title>By: Links 10/2/2010: KDE SC 4.4.0 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.0 Released &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 10/2/2010: KDE SC 4.4.0 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.0 Released &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Once scorned, twice as nasty I speak of course, of the troll wars pertaining to Linux vs Windows vs Mac. Now, unfortunately, Macs tend to get away pretty well in these arguments, because regardless of how much open source software they steal and how much they try to push forward the boundaries of Vendor Lock-In, they are still the under dog in comparison to Microsoft, so MOST people, tend to leave them alone. The troll wars that I am particularly interested in, are those that follow the blog posts of a certain Steven J Vaughan-Nichols (Or SJVN to most of us). You see this is a very seasoned journalist, who has got a LOT of experience in the world of I.T. and he has a tendency to make rather straight forward blog posts. Only this morning I read one on Windows 7 and how good it was, yet immediately after, I read another which claimed Ubuntu 9.10 was better and gave the reasons why he thought so, the post about Windows being good, had barely a bad word said in the comments, no Linux fans jumping in there saying how much Windows sucks or that it’s a crap OS, yet the other post, whoohoohoohoo out come the zealots, and then the defenders of the faith. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Once scorned, twice as nasty I speak of course, of the troll wars pertaining to Linux vs Windows vs Mac. Now, unfortunately, Macs tend to get away pretty well in these arguments, because regardless of how much open source software they steal and how much they try to push forward the boundaries of Vendor Lock-In, they are still the under dog in comparison to Microsoft, so MOST people, tend to leave them alone. The troll wars that I am particularly interested in, are those that follow the blog posts of a certain Steven J Vaughan-Nichols (Or SJVN to most of us). You see this is a very seasoned journalist, who has got a LOT of experience in the world of I.T. and he has a tendency to make rather straight forward blog posts. Only this morning I read one on Windows 7 and how good it was, yet immediately after, I read another which claimed Ubuntu 9.10 was better and gave the reasons why he thought so, the post about Windows being good, had barely a bad word said in the comments, no Linux fans jumping in there saying how much Windows sucks or that it’s a crap OS, yet the other post, whoohoohoohoo out come the zealots, and then the defenders of the faith. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lefty.crupps</title>
		<link>http://www.prodigalprogramming.com/2010/02/08/once-scorned-twice-as-nasty/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>lefty.crupps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Debian and KDE, dead simple and stable, even with the Testing or Sid branches of Debian.  I cannot say that I&#039;ve had a good experience with Kubuntu however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Debian and KDE, dead simple and stable, even with the Testing or Sid branches of Debian.  I cannot say that I&#8217;ve had a good experience with Kubuntu however.</p>
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